Declined Cooperate with Lampje

In order to provide better data, it would be nice to cooperate with the Lampje developers to at least share the reports so people don't have to register on both sites as many agents won't be aware of the existence of the other project.

 

Lampje is another system that collects damage report emails https://www.reddit.com/r/Ingress/comments/352hpe/what_is_lampje/
Obviously any integration can't be automatic because as you correctly state, people would be very upset if it's done that way, but having an opt-in to share the data between the two systems could be good

 

I'm not really looking for anything because I use this info lightly. My suggestion was more aimed at getting more data in an easier way, because after all the quality of the reports is based on the amount of processed data.
As far as I know, lampje sends a mail with a monthly report to each player with a map of their playing zones and the top attackers on each city, and there's also a telegram bot (you know USA = slack, Europe = telegram) that can be used to query info about the players.
If I'm not wrong, it's missing a web UI.

Outgress seems to have just so many features that I still have to play with it to learn all the things that it can do and what it can't do.

 

@digitalpoint I have used Lampje for about 4 months now. @AlfonsoML is correct, it is missing a web UI. I have tried to use the TG bot to query information, but it difficult to remember all the commands, and what does what. Your web UI is amazing. If you want me to forward one of the monthly reports I get from Lampje, I can. Just let me know.

 

@digitalpoint I don't think there is. Everything is looking great. Very excited for the new features, and if you need test subject, let me know.

 

I am the author of a site that does similar things to outgress called pr0j3c7. mine is no where as pretty , has only 32 (local) Enlightened members and is invitation only.
I have spoken to the author of lampje and came to the same conclusion regarding privacy. While we could exchange data it would need to be suitably annonymised and that makes the data all but useless.
I also know personally the creator of IGA which like the aforementioned and outgress uses attack reports to facilitate stats and also get alerts out to a number of platforms as quickly as possible.
By far the most developed is outgress but in discussion with my members they seem reluctant to put their data anywhere that It can be used to the possible benefit of Resistance and yeah, I have explained it all to them but there you go.
I don't intend wrapping up my little project because there are local things on there that we do as sub games and challenges and having invested many hours in making it as ugly as possible I don't want to throw that away just yet.

@digitalpoint : your coming feature - Show recently active users on the intel map and where they were last seen
was the first thing I coded on mine, everything else came after, but then when I am only dealing with a typical area of 150 sq miles it isn't hard to fit things in

 

It would be nice to see a merge in these systems. Lampje (named after a comic book character of an robot with a lightbulb as a head, the Little Helper of inventor Gyro Gearloose). Is having problems lately, but if Outgress is X-faction, i don't think members will move over their data. The features i really like about lampje are the monthly reports (but they could be better) and the multiple chatbots.
i Guess you can find some stuff on github on lampje, and if you open your code, people can benefit from both.
So maybe if you can ask for his code, and you can share yours, you can learn from each other.
By the way, the damagereports tend NOT to show much information about me but more about the enemies that atack my portals.

 

Outgress should NOT integrate with any application that provides or allows the uploading and sharing of personal information about players.

Including applications that provide or enable users to share the following:

• Photographs of players
• Photographs of player vehicles
• License plate numbers of vehicles driven by players
• Any other personally revealing data of individual players

PS. I know I'm a little late to the party on this one, but I found the conversation very interesting.
If someone wants to go through the trouble of putting that information together themselves; they can handle the fallout. The privacy issues of systems like that integrating are a freaking disaster waiting to happen.

 

hahahaha, SRS apparently knows nothing about lampje. Even that reddit link posted above clears that misnomer up handily.

Not much is beneficial to the other team from my attack data, imo. If they can see my reports however, they can see where I've been. If I make a trip to farm keys and the portal gets hit, everyone on outgress can see I was at that portal, which I'm not big on, but meh.

Pretty sure neither side doing large ops will trust their data to a third party, not knowing your whole security setup, knowing if you personally are trustworthy with their op plan, if the site backend is robust enough to handle traffic surges or breach attempts.

The only issue I see with asking for features within other tools to be added to outgress is that outgress is asking for money to access these features and the other tools are made by the community (faction dependent of course) with the goal of freely providing the community with good tools to be effective. I have a couple ideas for a revenue model that makes more sense to me if you'd like to talk more offline.

 

I think I misspoke about how people can see your activity. You had said that the information we are giving when forwarding our alerts to outgress is that opposition agents can see who on their team attacked us, which is not valuable data, per your reenactment of the typical conversation above. I assumed with the information is included where they attacked you. Where they attacked you indicates also where you have been. Granted, there is not a timestamp that says when you were there, but the data point is there nonetheless. If my reso was attacked at a remote portal that looks like a good anchor candidate, then alerts could be raised, putting an op at risk. This is a small risk with a lot of ifs, but when you have 50 agents ready to make an op happen, you don't want any information like that out there.

Also, when you say the attack details don't say who sent in the data, that's only partially correct. I have looked up myself and I can tell exactly which opposition agent is using outgress based on the habits it says I have. I know exactly which agent's data will result in showing the portal I attack most and what's my last seen portal as it has.

I did not mean to question your server's abilities to handle attacks and traffic. I only meant to point out that the larger ops are not likely to use 3rd party tools. I don't know what information would be entered into your servers, I only had the minimal information off of your to-do list above based off the line item "Large op management stuff". I assumed to do any large op management, you would have to enter in sensitive information. Having been involved in large ops, I know that known secure tools already exist.

I do appreciate the work you're doing though, keep it up

 

I'm quite impressed as a new Outgress user. I wish I'd been forwarding messages for the past couple of years (I know about historical email import, but I turned emails off day 3 of playing)... You are right, @digitalpoint, about the hesitation to use it by resistance agents. I had someone tell me they were not going to use it because the administrator is ENL. I guess they are afraid that you will build some "mega-backend" only for ENL agents or something. Anyway, great job on the system. As a search engineer myself, I'd like to hear more about your indexing engine. 10M email/second is impressive parsing, especially stuffing it into a near-realtime search index. Solr or Elasticsearch (or something else) on the backend? I'm just curious.